The last time Carolyn DeFord, a member of the Puyallup tribe, saw her mother was in 1999.
That's when Leona Kinsey, who raised DeFord in La Grande, Ore., went missing. She was never seen again. Her disappearance is just one unsolved case in the nationwide crisis of missing or murdered Indigenous women.
In a 2019 interview with StoryCorps, DeFord told the story of her mother's disappearance.
The lack of closure — not knowing what happened to her mom, she said at the time — made her grief all the more inescapable. While other people have funerals and ceremonies to acknowledge their loved ones, she didn't feel that she had a place she could go to honor her mother's life.
"For the rest of the world, losing somebody, there's a grieving process," DeFord said.
After 22 years, DeFord said recently, she's managed to find moments of reprieve from the grief.
DeFord, now 48, returned to StoryCorps this past October, a time of year that usually weighs on her. It's the same month her mother went missing.
"As soon as I smell fall and the leaves are turning brown, I always feel a little heavy, a little reminiscent, a little empty."
But there's a memory of her mother that she said always brings her comfort.
When she was about 6 years old, she was in the car with her mom and a funeral was being broadcast on the radio. DeFord had asked her mother about it.
"It's the cycle of life. Everybody dies," she recalled her mom saying. "And I said, 'No, I don't want you ever to die.' "
Seeing her daughter upset, Kinsey told DeFord to close her eyes and asked: "Was I still here?"
"Yes," DeFord answered.
Kinsey then asked: If her daughter couldn't see her, how did she know she was still there?
"I told her, 'I could feel you,' " DeFord said. "And she said, 'Well, the part of me that loves you, you'll still be able to feel that.' "
With the season change, there's another thing that gives DeFord hope.
"This year, I'm not feeling the gloom because my daughter's getting ready to have her first baby," she said. "I'm just hoping that having something beautiful coming into our lives, it'll overwhelm the ugly — it'll wash it out."
Three days later, on Oct. 21, her family welcomed Caspian Hayes, a healthy baby boy.
Audio produced for Morning Edition by Jo Corona.
StoryCorps is a national nonprofit that gives people the chance to interview friends and loved ones about their lives. These conversations are archived at the American Folklife Center at the Library of Congress, allowing participants to leave a legacy for future generations. Learn more, including how to interview someone in your life, at StoryCorps.org.
A MARTINEZ, HOST:
Time again for StoryCorps - more than two decades ago, Carolyn DeFord's mother disappeared and was never seen again. Leona Kinsey was Native American, a member of the Puyallup tribe. She's part of the nationwide crisis of missing or murdered Indigenous women.
CAROLYN DEFORD: For the rest of the world, losing somebody - there's a grieving process. We have funerals and ceremonies to acknowledge them. When somebody's missing, you don't get to go somewhere to honor their lives.
MARTINEZ: Carolyn first came to StoryCorps two years ago to remember her mother. But she still had more she wanted to share, so she recently came back.
DEFORD: This time of year, as soon as I smell fall and the leaves are turning brown, I always feel a little heavy, a little reminiscent, a little empty. When I was really young - I was about 6 years old, and I was in the car with my mom. And there was a funeral on the radio. And I was asking her what it was. I said, when you die, I want you to have a big funeral. And she said, oh, I just want to go out into the woods and die in peace. That was just really unthinkable.
And I said, no, I don't want you ever to die. And she said, it's the cycle of life. Everybody dies. Our bodies are just a shell. And they're not meant to live forever. We just get to be here for a little while. And I was upset and crying. And my mom said, OK, close your eyes. And we sat there for a couple minutes. And she said, was I still here? And I said yes. And she said, could you see me? Could you hear me? And I said no. And she said, well, how do you know I'm still here? And I told her, I could feel you. And she said, well, the part of me that loves you - you'll still be able to feel that.
And that story - it just had always helped me find comfort. Every season change has - you know, has something that I can find some hope in. And this year, I'm not feeling the gloom because my daughter's getting ready to have her first baby. He's going to be here any day now. And I'm just hoping that having something beautiful coming into our lives - it'll overwhelm the ugly. It'll wash it out.
(SOUNDBITE OF CHRIS ZABRISKIE'S "THAT KID IN FOURTH GRADE WHO REALLY LIKED THE DENVER BRONCOS")
MARTINEZ: That was Carolyn DeFord remembering her mother, Leona Kinsey. Three days after she recorded this StoryCorps conversation, DeFord's family welcomed Caspian Hayes, a healthy baby boy.
This interview will be archived at the Library of Congress.
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